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Jesters Knight Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.09 03:13:00 - [1] Conformation that this is my alt Ingame website to help management (+)+(*^) = ^+
Jesters Knight Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.09 03:31:00 - [2] Originally by: Dark Shikari And thus it is time to ask this IPO some questions. 1. How much do you expect to sell each Nyx BPC for? Each BPC will be sold for 5 bil. Quote: 2. Why do you think there will be enough demand to make that much of a profit? I am not depending on the BPC market to pay it back, as i plan on paying it back before the BPC's really take off. Quote: 3. How long do you expect it to take to make the entire payout? Honestly I do not know exactly due to the way i will be paying out (explained in a moment) Quote: 4. Does your sig refer to money laundering? Yes, it was mostly for amusement way back when. Quote: 5. Why should we trust you with 20 billion ISK? I dotn know if i would trust myself with 20 bil, so i am going to buy the BPC and turn it over to the research division to research and copy for sales. Quote: 6. The Nyx BPO takes longer than 3 weeks to copy, I believe. How, in that case, will you start payouts within 3 weeks? Not only that, but it takes a REALLY long time to reserach ME. I plan to start paying back with profits from mining. if you search the sales forum i usually make 1-2 bil each week mining. it was more but i got a new job so I do not want to wait to mine it and save it. that brings me to the topic of time to pay back; it will take at the most 30 weeks, bt i plan on much sooner, especially once the BPO comes out of research and BPC's start getting sold off. Ingame website to help management (+)+(*^) = ^+
Jesters Knight Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.10 02:54:00 - [3] The NYX sells for about 22 bil each. Catalyst reaction has a very established empire research division. They have proven to make profit from there BPC sales for a long time now. When I said I didnÆt trust myself with 20 bil is because I like to spend isk, I do much better with small purchases or small payouts, that is why I know that I will be able to pay this back to shareholders, it will just take a while. The 1-2 bil was the amount that I make after a reduced mining time. When I started my new job I dropped doing regular supply runs and have been freelance selling off my minerals as I get them, that is why I started using the forums. However now that I have a few buyers marked I just shoot them evemails whenever I have large quantities and they usually buy them off of me. Jesters Knight is my main, however I am handling all the shares through my alt corp, the CEO of is Bishop Vic Jesters Knight is my first character; Born on 2005.09.07so I have been in the game for a little over a year. As far as getting a loan from BMBE is the lack of collateral. This is the first major purchase that I am trying to make. I apologize for the way the plan looks, I think that it is a good solid plan I am just having difficulty putting the proper wording together. And if it was a scam I wouldnÆt tell you who my main was :P Ingame website to help management (+)+(*^) = ^+
Jesters Knight Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.10 02:55:00 - [4] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Shin Ra Come on dude, if you want to scam us at least go to the trouble of creating a half decent buisiness plan. This is just lazyness" Scammers are lazy requesting a moderator clean the rabble out of the topic. if you would like to ask constructive questions please do, I dont thing of everything and will be happy to answer. but pelase be constructive. Ingame website to help management (+)+(*^) = ^+
Jesters Knight Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.10 13:41:00 - [5] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Jesters Knight Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Shin Ra Come on dude, if you want to scam us at least go to the trouble of creating a half decent buisiness plan. This is just lazyness" Scammers are lazy requesting a moderator clean the rabble out of the topic. if you would like to ask constructive questions please do, I dont thing of everything and will be happy to answer. but pelase be constructive. OK here is some constructive discussion: I firmly believe you are attempting to scam us here. Reasoning: 1) You have no formal business plan. 2) You are asking for 20 billion, yet the bpo only costs 16.2 billion. 3) You are investing no money of your own, which means you are poor, which increases the chance of scamming. 4) All this, despite you claiming to make 1-2 bil per week from mining 5) Surely you can see from our point of view, you have a high chance of being a SCAM. How can you proove us wrong? 6) You are in effect asking us for a loan. Why not do a deal with BIG to get a loan from them and they will research your BPO while you pay it back. 7) Your main is less than a year old and has no reputation at all. Furthermore, there is always the chance you bought this character recently. The onus is on YOU to proove that your are legit, not me to proove otherwise. If you can't come up with good solid answers to all these questions then I will continue to voice my opinions. What exactly Constitutes a formal businuess plan? im sorry if the way i put it my first time didnt meet your exact specifications but opening your mouth about a scam instead of asking these questions simply destroys my credibility and yours. if i had made 16,500 shares would you be more intersted? if not then this is a stupid question. 20k shares was a nice even number, the extra 3.5 bil could have gone to so manny extra things, perhaps even buying an already researched BPO that i would only have to research further. in reply to "i am poor" http://home.waldosjoint.com:82/pics/ships.png I am not exactly poor, i am simply bad with money. last time i had 2 bil sittin in my alts wallet i went on a shopping spree and spend 1.5 bil on skillbooks and got a caracal navy issue after lookign at it for about a week and a half. I will explain the Loan at the bottom of this post, as it has been asked before. youve gotta love the "your only a year old and have no reputation" in order for someoen to build a reputation they have to be given a chance and trusted. unfortunatly i didnt start borrowing money from the public for every little thing that i needed. however due to my spending habbits i often borrow sever hundred mill weekly from other members of my corporation and then pay it back at the end of the week from sales. if you would like to voice your opinion thats fine, i just wish you had asked questions first to help someone who had no experience in this area before destroying any chance of it working out. even if you go back now and change your topic i gaurntee that several investors will never read this topic again thanks to your pre-imptive bashing. Originally by: Barbicane The idea with BMBE is that you let them buy the BPO, research and copy it for you. While they do the researching you keep on mining and pay the weekly interest. I think that sounds like a great opportunity to you. The interest rate will most likely be much lower than what you just offered to pay to investors. Because the few times i have tried to contact them i have not gotten any reply. as a shareholder for BMBE this might work out better, however i have not been able to get intouch with a broker and im tired of trying without getting anything from it. Ingame website to help management (+)+(*^) = ^+
Jesters Knight Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.10 13:44:00 - [6] Originally by: Argenton Sayvers As for the topic: show some research why people would want Nyx BPCs ... especially at a price of around 30% of the original BPO. From my understanding, when building a nyx, 16b for the BPO are a small concern. As for the part about mining... what has that to do with your IPO? Do you plan to buy expensive mining equipment (hulks, mining accounts, merc protection for 0.0 space) or do you just want to give the investors money from your own wallet to create the fake impression of a profitable business? while i agree that if i was selling ME0 BPC's this might be the case. However i plan on having it researched up to ME 5 (or better) and selling the BPC's then. this will take a while for the research to be done and will save BPC buyers quite a bit of time and money. Ingame website to help management (+)+(*^) = ^+
Jesters Knight Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.10 14:29:00 - [7] Originally by: Erfnam Originally by: Jesters Knight while i agree that if i was selling ME0 BPC's this might be the case. However i plan on having it researched up to ME 5 (or better) and selling the BPC's then. this will take a while for the research to be done and will save BPC buyers quite a bit of time and money. Please show info on blueprints and do a build cost comparison before stating research levels. Bringing that print to ME 5 shows that you have put no effort in to this beyond "I want a Nyx BPO and people are questioning me". I think that anyone who invests in this "venture" deserves what they get. (For those who are not in game and had no reason to research this print yet) In a mobile lab, it'll take over 2 months per ME level and bringing the print past ME 1 is not worth it since the build time is about 3 weeks (16 days in array). ME 0->1 will save about 700m, but 1->2 will only save about 250m. when i did a ME comparison i must have used worse skills than i realized, after re-compairing the ME levels Erfnam is correct and as such i will probably only take it to ME1. thank you for pointing this out, but TBH i think we would have realized that when it came out of the research after the first ME level. Ingame website to help management (+)+(*^) = ^+
Jesters Knight Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.10 18:50:00 - [8] Originally by: Barbicane Originally by: Jesters Knight ... Originally by: Barbicane The idea with BMBE is that you let them buy the BPO, research and copy it for you. While they do the researching you keep on mining and pay the weekly interest. I think that sounds like a great opportunity to you. The interest rate will most likely be much lower than what you just offered to pay to investors. Because the few times i have tried to contact them i have not gotten any reply. as a shareholder for BMBE this might work out better, however i have not been able to get intouch with a broker and im tired of trying without getting anything from it. Are you sure you really tried? Because just a few hours ago you claimed the reason for not using BMBE was that you didn't have any collateral. this is a good point, and i apologize for my bad wording. what i should have said is that according to there webasite i do not have the collatoral and had been unable to get intouch with a loan broker to work something out. and TBH i thougt that people would be more intersted in investing a little bit and getting alittlebit and a half back. it would appear that this is not the case. i have since been in contact with a BMBE loan broker and they are reviewing the application and will get back to me with peticulars of the deal. Ingame website to help management (+)+(*^) = ^+
Jesters Knight Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.10 19:11:00 - [9] Originally by: Shin Ra Edited by: Shin Ra on 10/10/2006 15:29:16... I would like to thank you for pointing out the Business plan, however the fact that I donÆt know this on my first try doesnÆt surprise me. and what you say does have an impact on yourself, true that it doesnÆt have as large an effect as it does on me but you have proven yourself to be someone who jumps to conclusions without establishing the facts. this is not and never was a scam. however simply because I havenÆt had to go public with several smaller endeavors doesnÆt mean I donÆt plan on paying out. previously I simply have talked with people over TS or asked them in chat and explained it to them. the fact that you didnÆt even take the time to ask questions shows you to be a hasty business man. but this isnÆt about you. My business plan was simple, buy the BPO, research it, and sell BPCÆs. while that was happening I would put every spare isk I had back into the share holders in order for them to make a good return on the investment. No, when I started I hadnÆt researched the optimal ME level, after looking at it it would have become painfully clear that going higher than ME 1 was useless in the short term, so we probably would have stopped after 1, defiantly after 2 for a while. The fact that I have buyers lined up already doesnÆt matter or come into effect as neither I nor they will give out there information in order to keep the gank squads and hunter teams guessing. As far as my reputation, well I guess that if you havenÆt heard of me then I am nobody. Just because I donÆt forum ***** and broadcast my endeavors doesnÆt make me unreliable or un-reputable. You simply donÆt know me. If I decide to re-open the IPO (I say this because of your flames in particular I feel that nobody will invest) I will do as you say is a good idea and sit down and talk to a few people. It would have been nice to see this kind of useful information instead of ôlazy scammerö in your original posts. For the benefit of everyone involved I will post how this works out so that everyone can see what they missed out on. However due to the extreme negative reaction from a few people here I will most likely close this IPO in 24 hours. Once again thank you to Dark Shikari and Ricdic for there constructive questions, these were useful and will help me better put together the IPO if it goes public again. Ingame website to help management (+)+(*^) = ^+
Jesters Knight Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.10 20:16:00 - [10] Originally by: Skarii TuThess I'm so going into Eve consultancy, because (not to insult you Bishop / Jesters) your poor pitch and lack of background research has ruined what could have been a very profitable venture, and I'm fed up seeing good ideas ruined in this way. What people want to see from a plan is... well basically a situation where they have to sit down and scratch their heads to come up with any question or flaw. No plan will be flawless, but the ease at which some members here have been able to disrupt your plan has shown that it was not ready to go "live". Risk is about much more than scams. You need to demonstrate everything that happens from the isk arriving in your wallet to it coming back in mine. And that means absolutely everything. And if things go wrong I need to know that you have a plan. This is not meant as flaming at all, so I do apologise if this is coming across harshly, but with the current economic climate you need to be rock solid in this to stand a chance with even a small IPO, let alone 20bn. if you do go into businuess please let me know, it is apparant that i dont really know what im doing when it comes to writing up a businuess plan as i dont have any RL experence and there isnt exactly a guide for it (that i have found). Ingame website to help management (+)+(*^) = ^+

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